Bullet Grain Vs Recoil

Bullet Grain: The grain of a bullet refers to the bullet’s mass / weight (projectile only, not the entire cartridge). 5 grains Distance From Muzzle: 20′. 9 fps in a 9. Now the Tikka T3 in 338 WM with hot loads will knock the snot out of you!. And if you want truly serious penetration, you can drive a Woodleigh 450-grain bullet at 2,300 fps. 000745 slugs (unit of mass). 270 WSM and they kick very close to as much as my 7mm Rem Mag did. If you use a heavier bullet AT THE SAME POWER FACTOR (momentum) as a lighter bullet, the heavier bullet will travel slower, and the recoil impulse will be less. Subject: Re: 130 grain or 150 grain. 308 diameter bullet to get the same sectional density as a 175 grain. With factory loads (300 grain bullet at 1880 fps) the 45-70 is very mild in the recoil dept. The penetration of these bullets ranges between 12 to 18 inches. 357 Mag 158 Grain FMJ. However, even those long-jumping 100 gr and 120 gr bullets work well, both of them shooting consistent 1" or less 3 shot, 100 yard groups in my pistol. Recoil/Muzzle Rise « Reply #4 on: January 28, 2009, 07:34:20 pm » All things being equal, a lighter bullet will have less recoil in a given cartridge, 15 grns in hot cartridge like the. Sierra has a 200 grain flat point bullet for the. 41 Magnum revolver, it slaps the shooter the same as a. If you favor a heavy bullet and deep penetration, even the 3-inch-barrel 357 Magnum will best a 147-grain 9mm (tested previously) by some 150 fps, as the Winchester Silvertip demonstrates. I think is more about the power charge than the bullet weight. Four hundred grain bullets at 1400 feet per second give all the recoil anyone could want, believe me!. 444 load uses a 240 grain bullet, velocity and trajectory still favor the. Mechanics of recoil: Recoil is the kinetic energy the gun hits the shooter with. 308 Win; Recoil Comparison —. I've used Hornady 130gr SP, Barnes 130gr TSX and the Sierra 125gr PH. More powder is necessary when the bullet is heavier due to the larger mass needing to be moved. I was comparing this "Standard Pressure Short Barrel Low Flash Heavy. 5 Creedmoor vs 223 Inside the gun community there are always talks about which is the better caliber, such as. However, its mass is quite a bit less than 230. Recoil is noticeably higher. 454" across, but these days most use. A grain is the smallest unit of measure in the avoirdupois system. 492" Average FPS: 1276 Average Energy: 763 Average Gr: 211 Recoil: 1. 1911Forum > Hardware & Accessories > Reloading Bench: Bullets and recoil. Gold Dot Short Barrel. SWC and 140 gr. 62x39mm cartridge was designated the M43, spec'd out with a 123-grain steel core and copper-plated boat tail bullet along with a Berdan-primed steel case. 18 ft lbs of recoil force. 01 foot-pounds of force. Interesting that recoil was lighter with the lighter bullet though. The lighter bullet reducing the recoil a small degree. The ideal low recoil, range, fun shooting ammo for the 45-70 is the cast bullet stuff loaded down to about 1100-1200 fps with the 350-400 gr cast bullets, but that is a reloading proposition. Pushing something harder will increase the recoil. With a 140-grain bullet, the recoil only goes up to 12. Lighter Bullets Reduce Heavy Recoil. 270 WSM and they kick very close to as much as my 7mm Rem Mag did. After the Sandy Hook tests of 1879, a new variation of the. I'd swear there was less recoil with the 165 grain Winchester. 308 diameter bullet to get the same sectional density as a 175 grain. INFO 023-L7MM4 7mm Mag 140 gr. The Remington Managed Recoil load (115 grain PSP bullet, MV 2710 f. I was comparing this "Standard Pressure Short Barrel Low Flash Heavy. Recoil Energy Calculator Use this calculator to calculate the recoil on you rifles, handgun, and other firearms. Remington Core-Lokt is ideal for the hunters with a desire for filling their deer tags. It's when you push 250s to their maximums that the Whelen can develop what for many would be too much recoil. Explanation of terms. Contributing Member;. 38 Super Even though light bullets produce more recoil force than heavy bullets at the same power factor, the compensator uses the additional gas provided by the extra gunpowder to reduce their muzzle climb more than heavy bullets. 5 inches while exhibiting slightly less than average expansion. "flat tip" in the 30-30. Once you have picked out two or three powders and decided what bullet to use (most people in open are using something between 115 gr and 125 gr. Once the velocity is found, the recoil energy can be found by solving E F = 1/2 M F V F 2 Example Assume a seven pound rifle using 40 grains of powder to shoot a 168 grain bullet at 2700 feet/sec. The Advantage you gain is in the increased velocity of the 115 grain, a better temporary wound cavity and better expansion. Most of the domestically manufactured commercial ammo in this guide use brass cases and Boxer primers, while the former Eastern Bloc churns out pallet. another at 3300 fps there will be a 10% increase. I carry 230 grain loads in my. com/watch?v=YgGjNQ_hhIQ My own personal te. Once the velocity is found, the recoil energy can be found by solving E F = 1/2 M F V F 2 Example Assume a seven pound rifle using 40 grains of powder to shoot a 168 grain bullet at 2700 feet/sec. I was checking my daughters 270 win with 115gr Remington Managed Recoil this morning. A 9mm with a 90-grain bullet at 1,100 fps is a PF of 99. 380 ACP, due to the higher caliber and case length of 19. 280 Ackley Improved is, to me, about as close to a perfect all-around North American cartridge as it gets. light for caliber bullets. Newton got it right, and the calculation is pretty straightforward. 380 Caliber) 95 gr. 270 with a 130 grain bullet, the. this is not true if I shoot reduced recoil ammo however. 700 Nitro Express develops an approximate average of 8,900 foot-pounds force (12,100 J) of muzzle energy with a 1,000 gr (65 g) bullet at 2,000 ft/s (610 m/s). The force of that bullet sailing down the lands and grooves in the barrel, then exiting, produces a recoil reaction in reverse that shooters term "felt recoil. 30-06, but it had to be much shorter than the. I load 165 gr bullets in front of 66 gr 4350 and it was devastating on my cow bison. SWC and 140 gr. 117 nominal) than standard ball, but it leaves big clean holes in paper and feeds OK so far. 460; the 140-grain 6. Lee doesn't give velocities for this bullet but does for 270 grain jacketed bullets with 46. With wide variety of calibers from the standard to the unique, Aguila offers high-quality rounds that cycle flawlessly with remarkable consistency in both velocity and accuracy. on some of the larger game hunts and I'd load 150 or 160 gr. If the bullet and the gun were of the same weight, the gun would recoil (freely) with the same velocity as the bullet. 500 should be manageable with practice and working up to the top loads. PRESS RELEASE FOR BUFFALO BORE 45-70 MAGNUM-LEVER GUN (ITEMS 8A, 8B, 8C, 8D, and 8E). 300 bullet in a non-magnum case. It's an excellent little gun, and functions well with bullets in the 250 to 320 grain range. New shooters embrace the 6. So one has a hunting. RN 1000rds Reman, PRICE $201. JHP: Federal 135 gr. Means of reducing recoil: Recoil that the shooter feels can be reduced in quite a few ways. Since the gun has so much more mass than the bullet, its recoil speed is much much less than bullet. 45-70 Magnum - Lever Gun Ammo 430 gr. I have a 22 and it makes my finger hurt after a few rounds. It is excellent for target or as a training bullet. 38 specials and 125 gr. A 115 grain bullet is going to recoil LESS than a 147 gain bullet. 000745 slugs (unit of mass). Ballistics Gel Tested. With 185 grain bullet, the muzzle velocity is higher than that of a 230 grain bullet. 50 caliber 220 grain Knight Red Hot has a better BC because of the bullet’s streamlined design. 308 '78 till '93, and my. What makes the HSM Low Recoil rifle rounds so radically different, so unique, is they all feature full, standard weight-for-caliber hunting bullets! There is no compromise in performance and accuracy when compared to bullets found topping other low recoil ammunition. Nevertheless, this bullet is the best choice in the 7mm08 for tough game weighing between 90 and 320kg (200-700lb). 454 Casull, the. Most bullets intended for use in revolver cartridges have a cannelure, or crimping groove impressed into the bearing surface. Recoil softens and lengthens, becoming a mellow push rather than a sharp slam. Cor-Bon 165-Grain PowRBall +P, $26. It typically fires a 270 grain bullet at 2,750 FPS generating 4,400 foot pounds energy. 357 bullet size range. Cast Performance LBT Series gas-checked cast bullets. 40s it seems like there's more snap with the 165grain vs the 180grain. 5 Creedmoor for both drop and wind deflection. This is a discussion on Help me understand bullet weights vs recoil within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I am trying to understand some things. Chamber pressure is going to be higher. 458 Win Mag factory ammo is normally offered with 325-500 grain bullets. 0628 The 115 grain bullet produces 6. Here's how the 6BR stacks up vs. Muzzle energy is the energy of a bullet right when it leaves the firearms barrel. With its mild recoil and longer range capabilities, the 7mm-08 is a very useful calibre for Australian hunting activities. Aside from that, combined with the significantly lower recoil (think 30-06 vs 308) and faster lock time, 7mm-08 will be a far easier calibre to be precise with let alone easier to carry around. 5x55 Swedish Mauser with a reduced load of 140 hybrids going 2650 fps. The recoil energy is the same. 30-06 round. 5lb Rifle, 150gr bullet = 15. In 45 ACP I found that the 200 gr bullet produced less recoil and muzzle flip than the 175, but that heavier bullets didn't seem to offer any more improvement. 1,011 fps MAX AA. 38 special ammo is about gone too! Need some for my wife and we have been shooting 125 grain. The longer bullet will take up more case and raise the chamber pressure. It is for use in my wife's LC9. This is not to say that a 158 grain. 1,214 fps Start Titegroup 11. Still, since the. 40, it will not be real apparent, the. In the savage muzzleloader, it seems the Accurate Arms pushing the same weight bullet the same velocity recoils less than other powders. But may do so if I can't get the. Gold Dot Short Barrel. of recoil energy and 12 f. However, the felt recoil is really soft. Most of the domestically manufactured commercial ammo in this guide use brass cases and Boxer primers, while the former Eastern Bloc churns out pallet. 223 load has more energy than a 240 gr. 45 vs 200 grain 10mm penetration and for bears/ hogs - page 1 - 10mm Hunting - 10mm-firearms. 380 Caliber) 95 gr. N120 is excellent if you can find it (call Jeannie Bolda at Kaltron), but Accurate 2015 and Reloder 7 both have the ability to produce similar external ballistics. If I want lighter recoil loads for my handgun, I should. It shoots slower and has a more parabolic trajectory. I have settled on 125 gr sjhp bullets for my 357 loads. Both will impart the same recoil velocity to the gun. The Great 125 gr. The energy of the bullet is only a sub issue of the acceleration of the bullet when the gun is fired. A better Ballistic coefficient in the 180gr is the reason for this. 5 Creedmoor with a 143 grain ELD-X bullet going 2700 fps reaches the minimum energy to kill a deer at just over 750 yards, it reaches the minimum energy to kill an elk at 400 yards. TC bullets for. Effectiveness and Uses The bigger cartridge is much more powerful, delivering nearly more than 1,000 foot pounds of muzzle energy than the smaller one. 8 lb felt recoil. 592″ Recovered Bullet Weight: 145. 50 caliber 220 grain Knight Red Hot has a better BC because of the bullet’s streamlined design. For instance, the. Thread starter Secretariat; My personal favorite is Federal's HST in 124gr. This is not to say that a 158 grain. The case is an original design with a rimless, bottleneck type case that fits a. When comparing the recoil of the same bullet weight in different calibers, the smaller caliber produces less recoil, which is greatly influenced by requiring less gunpowder. I have a 22 and it makes my finger hurt after a few rounds. Nice soft gentle recoil. 5 inches while exhibiting slightly less than average expansion. 45) so I like to shoot "hardball equivalent" loads in the bullet thrower. Still kicked ass in the wind. 308-caliber shooters. 38 Special is more effective than a 147 grain 9mm. He also gives loads for 280 and 300 grain jacketed bullets. In this case, the cartridges have a similar bullet weight and diameter with similar velocities with the 7. Recoil was mild, unlike the 195-grain Berger. felt recoil by STEVE SAMELAK on Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:56 am I thought that E=mc squared was attributed to that Einstein guy and had more to do with the Manhattan project. 357 mag, as you also have learned, there are a mind numbing variety of bullets for this round with the greater the grain number the greater the weight of the bullet. 57 Mauser based off three grain types for muzzle velocity are 3,000 ft/s (139 gr), 2,600 ft/s (162 gr), 2,500 ft/s (173 gr RWS HMK), and 2,300 ft/s (173 gr Military load). Even though the 7-08 is slinging a bigger bullet, that's a generous increase in recoil, but then the reduced recoil load comes along. The ballistic performance for the 7. ) has greater range, with a MPBR and EKR of 260 yards. Important Safety Information. When shot from an all-steel 1911, the 155-grain. With the Magsafe 68 grain, Glaser Safety Slug firing a 145 grain bullet at 1,350 fps with 587 fpe and Cor -Bon’s 165 grain +P at 573 fpe (data from Cor-Bon), I think the issue of lower recoil. Last, but not least, the 250 gr. Notice that the 9mm bullets weigh more than the ones used for. I think is more about the power charge than the bullet weight. Most serious competitors I know prefer the 200 grain bullet to the 230 though. This is why it is referred to as a "lower recoil" load. , 257 Allen Magnum, 338 RUM (Parent case for 257 A. 45 Colt bullets used to be about. 338 Win Mag shooting 250 grain bullets. ") preceded by a number on a box of ammo, it is referencing the weight of the bullet. For those individuals wanting to use lighter weight, supersonic 9 mms, I think a better alternative than the vast majority of 115 gr loads is to use the slightly heavier 124 to 127 gr bullets or the Barnes 115 gr all copper bullet". The larger caliber has just less than 10% greater frontal bullet area. Selection of a specific caliber for self defense is a function of a variety of factors, including size and weight of the associated gun, recoil tolerance of the shooter and bullet performance. Unless recoil is the overwhelming consideration, this is a top choice for those that are looking for a load with less recoil than the 230-grain 45 ACP. I've had good success on bucks to over 240# dressed weight, plain old boiler room shots plus a number of more difficult ones. Gun Tests Grade: A. If you are going for a specific "power factor", which is a pure momentum calculation, you will generally get less recoil with the heavier bullet at the same power factor. Shok federal premium 243 WIN 55 Grain - So urce. "flat tip" in the 30-30. I've found some 158 grain and wonder if the recoil is worse? I don't know if heavier/lighter bullet pruduces more recoil. 45 ACP bullet will have a recoil velocity of 12. It is not a simple calculation of a one bullet weighing more than another. A lighter bullet will have less recoil because there is less resistance to move the bullet forward (equal and opposite action law). Alternatively, you need more mass in the gun frame to counter recoil. Hence, there is no obvious advantage of one bullet weight over another. This is only of concern for self-defense ammo, as different-weight bullets perform differently. 5 Creedmoor's 143-grain ELD-X in a 308 Win. #MathAlwaysWorks. Recoil Comparison S&B 124 Gr & Fiocchi 115 Grain 9mm Hot practice ammo Daniel Breakdown Brazilian BJJ Russian Systema Gracie Scout vs coach instructor Combat System Systema CatchJitsu Catch. recoil and might well be the perfect elk. her rifle liked a lot of jump. To learn more. Many shooters prefer the 124/125 gr bullets, as do I. 30-caliber bullet at 2800 fps generates 17% more recoil. Hydra-Shok JHP: Federal 147 gr. For example I find a a max load 40SW 180 gr recoil more than a max load 45 ACP 230 gr in a equal size gun. My G19 & G26 perform better with 124 grain. The other 25 caliber is the antique 257 Roberts. This is more than ten times the average recoil from a. This results in a momentum of 211,000 g ft/s. Felt Recoil to the shooter: 308, 7. Physics dictates that bullet grain will play a role in recoil. 90 Grain 9mm Bullets. The 7x57's 150-grain ELD-X bullet was just a step behind the 6. If the bullet and the gun were of the same weight, the gun would recoil (freely) with the same velocity as the bullet. A bullet that is 125gr and leaves a 3 inch barrel at 800fps would have a sharper perceived recoil than the same bullet at the same speed leaving an 8 inch barrel. 5 grains of Bullseye and another round with a 147 9mm bullet, same powder and charge, you will have a lower Recoil Impulse from the 95 grain bullet and a larger Recoil Impulse from the larger bullet. Sellier & Bellot. I carry and train with 124 grain Federal HST ammo in my every day carry gun but I'm in the process of suppressing a 9mm carbine. So, if you have a shooter that is recoil sensitive. I think the recoil savings really comes from the fact that with the. Now if someone says that we should compare the recoil of both with 150 grain bullets, I say; the reputation of the. I use a charge of 14. 9 lb-ft free recoil at 15. Re: Bullet weight vs. I am thinking of getting either a 6. Also more recoil. Now the Tikka T3 in 338 WM with hot loads will knock the snot out of you!. Another reason why these bullets are usually used for beginners is the lower cost. Once the velocity is found, the recoil energy can be found by solving E F = 1/2 M F V F 2 Example Assume a seven pound rifle using 40 grains of powder to shoot a 168 grain bullet at 2700 feet/sec. Just giving my take on the idea of using heavy vs. So you want to load your 165 grain 40S&W to run just over 760 feet per second or 180's to just over 700 fps. It seems the 7mm TCU chamber was designed around the Hornady 154 gr SP. 44 Magnum in the Marlin 1894 is a somewhat more limited gun than is the. Once you have picked out two or three powders and decided what bullet to use (most people in open are using something between 115 gr and 125 gr. A 9mm with a 90-grain bullet at 1,100 fps is a PF of 99. 5 pound rifle) only has a recoil of 23. With a 140-grain bullet, the recoil only goes up to 12. 40 S&W measures. Grain for grain in powder charge behind each, the lighter bullets will exhibit less recoil impulse on your hands and arms. Calculate recoil from muzzle velocity and bullet, powder and rifle weight. Of course that is with all other things being equal. Bullet weight can affect point of impact, accuracy, and recoil impulse, so it is essential that you train with whatever cartridge you choose to carry, at least every so often. Theoretically, it should work well, which it does. Hence, there is no obvious advantage of one bullet weight over another. Michael, I use the 130 gr. 850 inch) belted magnum case, with minimal body taper and a sharp, 25-degree shoulder. When it comes to comparisons, the. 270 generates 16. Using heavier bullets solves the problem, but I have also found that there is a limit to the advantage of a heavier bullet. Figures show that a 444 Marlin with a 240 grain bullet loaded to 2,400 feet per second (in a 7. I can't really get into ballistics, but I can tell you I notice a difference between 125 and 158 gr bullets. 38 specials and 125 gr. Handgun Hunter Magazine publishes a large volume of member provided articles on handguns, hunting, shooting, reloading, optics, and other outdoor related subjects. light for caliber bullets. 308 with a 150 grain bullet compared to a. Do not exceed 45 grains 5744. For more detailed, 1 grain is equal to 1/7000th of a pound. I’ve owned both and there isn’t a lick of difference in recoil if you use the same weight for caliber bullets. DO NOT BE TEMPTED TO USE 230 GR. This round was designed to be the softest shooting minor power factor for USPSA and IPDA coming in at a power factor of 134. After the Sandy Hook tests of 1879, a new variation of the. 308 is very close to the. Thus, the 185 grain bullet has "less momentum" than a 230 grain bullet. In English, that means that heavy. Recoil is a momentum exercise. 5 grains of H4198 at 2261 fps and 3065 ft. The 115-grain bullets in the 9mm Luger produced marginally more recoil than 130-grain bullets in the. Other pistol/shotgun powders can be used as long as it is a flake powder, but 800X works well, right from a minimum of three grains up to a twelve grain maximum. Hence, there is no obvious advantage of one bullet weight over another. I’ve owned both and there isn’t a lick of difference in recoil if you use the same weight for caliber bullets. Given the advances in bullet technology since then, the modern 225 gr. More powder is necessary when the bullet is heavier due to the larger mass needing to be moved. It was accurate, and penetrated 11. The 270 only comes in with (3) bullets weights. That extra bullet weight greatly increases recoil from the low range to the mid-range, reduces speeds, and greatly increases maximum ranges game can be taken at. 41 Magnum revolver, it slaps the shooter the same as a. On the left is the 300 grain WFN, on the right is the 320 grain WLN. 357 Sig is a devastating round. with 160-gr. 270 Inter-Bond's. Your sights will lift less at the same power factor with a heavy bullet vs. A 9mm is generally cheaper, has less recoil and higher velocity than a. 5 Creedmoor vs 223 Inside the gun community there are always talks about which is the better caliber, such as. 45 caliber with the 230 grain bullet many years ago. 5 Creedmor or. a 122 grain has less recoil than a 154 grain while fired from my SKS rifle. In a compact. When you put a light bullet ( say 90 grain ) and load the bullet into a +P category that thing will stop whatever you shoot. Of cartridges based upon the. 260 Remington and 6. The first is titled “ H4895 Reduced Rifle Loads. 24 at Lucky Gunner. I suppose a 300 grain bullet would also work well. The Speer bullet is designed for lighter game typically deer. 270 wsm with 117 and 140 gr bullets. It was accurate, and penetrated 11. It is a good balance of power vs. Expand'g FMJ: Federal 124 gr. The theory is that at the same power factor, heavier bullets yield less acceleration (recoil). Power factor is bullet weight times speed. This would give us the same total recoil impulse as calculated above. 01 foot-pounds of force. A grain is a unit of measurement of mass. In similar weight bullets, the 30-30 tends to outperform the little Russian cartridge. To match the B. It is more of a push than a jarring feeling. The lighter bullet reducing the recoil a small degree. #3 you can control under recoil to quickly follow up # # 150 grain bullet at 770 fps and a muzzle. Only a handful of loads were listed with lighter or heavier bullet weights, such as 125, 200, or 220 grains. My G19 & G26 perform better with 124 grain. The Hydra-shok’s unique feature is a post in the center of the hollowpoint, which the HST does not share. More specifically, when a 100-grain bullet exits the barrel of a nine-pound rifle in. This may be a silly question but i found the recoil while shooting at the range 115 grain had more recoil than a 124 grain. The current NATO rounds carry bullets that weigh between 68 and 70 grains. 1,662 MAX (for Sierra bullet) Enforcer 28. The Remington Managed Recoil load (115 grain PSP bullet, MV 2710 f. The 115-grain bullets in the 9mm Luger produced marginally more recoil than 130-grain bullets in the. Moving a 200 grain bullet forward requires 200 gr recoil backwards. It does tend to give me a headache after 10-15 shots though! DJ_Squizzy, Nov 2, 2012. 451 290 Grain Tipped Flat Base. but normally it will produce more recoil. I have used it on whitetail deer with excellent results. 3,537 ft lbs 20 Round Box. 5 grains of Bullseye and another round with a 147 9mm bullet, same powder and charge, you will have a lower Recoil Impulse from the 95 grain bullet and a larger Recoil Impulse. 38 Super at the same power factor. For example, I cast 155 gr. It's an excellent little gun, and functions well with bullets in the 250 to 320 grain range. After all, they share the same bullet size and the. The lightest recoil is a 9,3x62 pushing a 286 gr bullet at 2425 fps driven by a 58 gr powder charge in a 9 pound rifle: 25. Takes more force to move heavy stuff than light stuff. Ballistics Gel Tested. We know it requires more energy to move a heavier bullet than a lighter bullet, right? Well, when we consider that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, we know a heavier bullet generally means more recoil than a lighter bullet. As stated, the recoil is roughly similar to the. 357 with the 140 grain FTX at 2000 fps. " It was part of the slogan for German arms manufacturer Deutsche Waffen- und Munitionsfabriken Aktien-Gesellschaft (DWM), which is where the 9X19mm Parabellum was created. It was accurate, and penetrated 11. The force of that bullet sailing down the lands and grooves in the barrel, then exiting, produces a recoil reaction in reverse that shooters term "felt recoil. Looks like they all shoot pretty good. Likes Received: 125 mi N of the S most USA point FFL. For any self-defense weapon, manageable recoil is essential. It has far better terminal performance than the SMK 115 gr OTM. If your order isn’t in stock and shipped on time, we will. 45 grams outside of the United States. Lightweight guns recoil harder than heavy guns with the same ammunition type. In order to compare loads, you must make them all to the same power factor. I have tried lighter and heavier bullets but the 124 has tighter groups. 7) and that is your starting load. A 180-grain (12 g) bullet fired from. 180 both moving at the same velocity, same exact conditions a 180 will penetrate. 45 has a Substantial but relatively gentle "push". For shots out to 200 yards, your deer is never going to notice the difference, but for longer shots, you'll be better off sticking with standard-velocity loads (right). All of this means that 300 Blackout has a lower practical range than the. I shoot 140's at 3,140 FPS (65 grs IMR 7828) in my. In order to match the ballistic performance of the heavy 7mm bullets, a 210gr,. When Ruger announced the introduction of its Magnum Express rifle in 1989, chambered in the venerable and long extinct. I was comparing this "Standard Pressure Short Barrel Low Flash Heavy. ? within the Handguns forums, part of the Gun Forum category; I usually shoot 230 FMJ, and was wondering if I would notice a difference with the 185's? Can't be much. 1911Forum > Hardware & Accessories > Reloading Bench: Bullets and recoil. Barnes T-EZ. The current NATO rounds carry bullets that weigh between 68 and 70 grains. More specifically, when a 100-grain bullet exits the barrel of a nine-pound rifle in. 338 RCM drives a 200-grain Hornady SST bullet down the barrel at 2,950 fps. a number of popular calibers: Similar Posts: Recoil Comparison. This is why the vast majority of top end competetive shooters are using 147gr. Testing the. The second factor is velocity, then the bullet weight, as well as the amount of gunpowder grain. Hornady ® Custom Lite ® ammunition provides reduced recoil and muzzle blast from the most popular calibers, and puts the fun back into shooting for kids, women, and every shooter looking to keep recoil to a minimum while still enjoying the use of their favorite rifle. Whether that is a 185-grain JHP for target shooting or soft targets with minimal recoil, middleweight 200-250 grain bullets ideal for medium game animals such as deer or. Re: Bullet weight vs. 38 Super Even though light bullets produce more recoil force than heavy bullets at the same power factor, the compensator uses the additional gas provided by the extra gunpowder to reduce their muzzle climb more than heavy bullets. Take the 9mm 115 gr vs. Now if we loaded a 147gr 9mm bullet to have the same total recoil impulse of the 115 gr load of. This isn't the weight of the entire round of ammunition, but just the projectile that leaves the barrel. 458 Win Mag factory ammo is normally offered with 325-500 grain bullets. I have a NEF 45-70, the Factory ammo isn't all that pleasant to shoot. Please bear in mind that there are several factors affecting the "felt recoil" of any rifle that you shoot. Most of the domestically manufactured commercial ammo in this guide use brass cases and Boxer primers, while the former Eastern Bloc churns out pallet. Factory ammunition is widely available with a wide variety of bullet types and weights, and most is built to high accuracy standards, since that's what. 300wsm has less felt recoil than 300 wm. Gold Dot Short Barrel. Shok federal premium 243 WIN 55 Grain - So urce. 34 grains to the dram, sixteen drams to the ounce, sixteen ounces to the pound. , you'd have to shoot Hornady's 200-gr. 45 ACP 230 vs. same bullets must be single-fed. Its stopping power is undeniable. 0 pound rifle) is 23. 69 feet per second and a recoil energy of 6. Muzzle loader is slow recoil. 23 Power Rank: 5. In order to compare loads, you must make them all to the same power factor. My experience has been with 175 gr 45 swcs and 155gr. For instance, the 300 Win Mag commonly uses bullets in the 150-210 grain range with 150 grain, 165 grain, 180 grain, and 200 grain bullets being most common. 1,840 max (Sierra bullet) ----- 250-255 Grain Lead SWC. For example I find a a max load 40SW 180 gr recoil more than a max load 45 ACP 230 gr in a equal size gun. The design/model of gun can make a difference also. Predicting perceived recoil, however, is very difficult and personal, depending on a myriad of factors. No scientific answer here just impressions. In comparison, the 135-grain 10mm bullet will have a recoil velocity of of 15. Bullet weight can affect point of impact, accuracy, and recoil impulse, so it is essential that you train with whatever cartridge you choose to carry, at least every so often. Recoil Comparison S&B 124 Gr & Fiocchi 115 Grain 9mm Hot practice ammo Daniel Breakdown Brazilian BJJ Russian Systema Gracie Scout vs coach instructor Combat System Systema CatchJitsu Catch. Me? I shoot 165 grain bullets and split the difference. of recoil velocity. Do not exceed 60 gr. felt recoil by STEVE SAMELAK on Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:56 am I thought that E=mc squared was attributed to that Einstein guy and had more to do with the Manhattan project. Our 45-70 ammunition is externally identical to SAAMI spec 45-70 ammo, but internally it generates FAR more power and pressure. Start load: 55 gr. Bullet Weight vs. 357 in a medium-frame, and still generates almost 100 ft-lbs. Related Products. 30/06 load (left) features a newly engineered, 125-grain Core-Lokt bullet that's designed to expand best at low-recoil velocities. The lighter bullet reducing the recoil a small degree. Cor-Bon 165-Grain PowRBall +P, $26. 5 ft-lbs of recoil. I know of some people that are calling the 6. 308W with its scope set to shoot the 150 gr hunting bullet 2" high at 100 metres and it is on the crosshairs at 220. 147 grain means that the bullet weight is different. 5 g) bullet. The 308 Win is a. Muzzle loader is slow recoil. 355 inch bullets). Hornady 44 Caliber 300 Grain Extreme Terminal Performance Hollow Point 50/Box Md: 44280 Hornady XTP And FMJ Handgun Bullets Demonstrate The Kind Of Accuracy That Lead Many Shooters To Adopt Them. As for bullets, I tried the copperized (not plated) National 152 grain SWC. 492" Average FPS: 1276 Average Energy: 763 Average Gr: 211 Recoil: 1. ) generates a MPBR of 255 yards, but the light bullet sheds energy downrange, so the EKR is 200 yards. From 25 caliber, to. real world weapon: Cor Bon 90 gr. In the savage muzzleloader, it seems the Accurate Arms pushing the same weight bullet the same velocity recoils less than other powders. 992 inch in length, the. I've bought 3500 or 4000 coated Steel Valley bullets since trying the 240 gr 44s. Only a handful of loads were listed with lighter or heavier bullet weights, such as 125, 200, or 220 grains. 172" diameter and delivers a muzzle velocity of about 2550 fps (depending on the barrel length). ) In the USA, some events are still limited to 156gr or lighter bullets for. 29" Width: 0. 375 bullets, which boast an already-impressive sectional density of 0. she has a savage axis 308. Debate; If this is your first visit,. Learn the key performance and design differences that set HST, Hydra-Shok Deep and Punch apart from one another to choose the one that fits you best. 500 is heavy once 400 grain bullets exceed 1200 feet per second and 440's go over 1100 feet per second. 0628 The 115 grain bullet produces 6. Bullet on the right was smashed by the author with a hammer as described in the article. For instance, the compiled load data in the Lee manual lists ten 200 grain bullet loads with MVs between 2550 and 2607 f. The current NATO rounds carry bullets that weigh between 68 and 70 grains. 3% more recoil than the 147 grain bullet when pushed to the same power factor. In English, that means that heavy. Muzzle loader is slow recoil. 45 ACP bullet will have a recoil velocity of 12. 143 gr ball w/30 gr powder had a lot lighter recoil than the same powder charge with 220 gr bullets. Just giving my take on the idea of using heavy vs. This may be a silly question but i found the recoil while shooting at the range 115 grain had more recoil than a 124 grain. Any excess gas that exits out the front will produce recoil. A lighter bullet will have less recoil because there is less resistance to move the bullet forward (equal and opposite action law). I have a 9mm and someone I was with said to shoot 115 gr because it had less. The powder charge produces a fixed about of energy. Interesting that recoil was lighter with the lighter bullet though. 180 both moving at the same velocity, same exact conditions a 180 will penetrate. After all, they share the same bullet size and the. 30 caliber bullet and the 150 grain. I have tried lighter and heavier bullets but the 124 has tighter groups. 40 S&W, has a decided snap to it, what I call recoil impulse, it is sharp and sudden. Of cartridges based upon the. Shots ranging from very close to maybe 140 yards. 41 Magnum revolver, it slaps the shooter the same as a. 375 bullets, which boast an already-impressive sectional density of 0. Magnum trajectory. 30-caliber bullet at 2800 fps generates 17% more recoil. 5 to 155's in 308, where now the gap in recoil expands even more. 338 Federal pushes a 200-grain Trophy Bond Tip bullet at about 2,630 fps from the muzzle. With the 130 gr. Just giving my take on the idea of using heavy vs. The iconic. Both 124 and 147 grain perform about the same, but there is less recoil with the 124gr. Recoil in a 308 is usually around 12 or 13 ft-lbs, while it's 20+ ft-lbs in a 300 win mag. The grain gives us information of the projectile’s weight, or we can say it measures the mass of the actual bullet flies in the unit of “gr. 30-06 if it were to work in the Model 99. According to my Rifle Recoil Table a 7. Less Recoil. 90 Grain 9mm Bullets. Hence, there is no obvious advantage of one bullet weight over another. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. That's why I say that the Kinetic Energy isn't important to the subject of recoil. 45 grams outside of the United States. That same 115-grain, 9mm bullet weight would be listed as 7. By continuing to browse this site you consent to the use of cookies. Now I need some help with the best loads to hunt and plink with 405 gr. J&K Bullet Casters said: ↑. 1,309 fps MAX True Blue 19. Winchester, for example, offers a 175 grain Silvertip at 1250 fps which has much less recoil than the standard 210 grain load at the same velocity. 454" across, but these days most use. 375 caliber as. The recoil energy is the same. Hornady 44 Caliber 300 Grain Extreme Terminal Performance Hollow Point 50/Box Md: 44280 Hornady XTP And FMJ Handgun Bullets Demonstrate The Kind Of Accuracy That Lead Many Shooters To Adopt Them. A usual rifle kick is more sharp, but to me a 7mm mag kicks about like a shotgun. 45 caliber with the 230 grain bullet was the match-up to effectively incapacitate an enemy attacker. (Yes, the 45 is a 45, but the 44 is a 43. AR15 vs AR10 Bullet Drop. It is not a simple calculation of a one bullet weighing more than another. 26 Nosler beats it by over six feet of drop and over 350 of energy. Hornady makes a 6. The 270 only comes in with (3) bullets weights. 458 Lott factory loads shoot either 500 grain or 550 grain bullets. e you hit bone, velocity, etc) but for this arguments sake say a 165 Vs. They are both stout. 41 Rem Mag was another one of those magnum rounds produced by the late Elmer Keith the same guy who created the 357 Magnum, and the 44 Magnum. 38 Super at the same power factor. I carry 230 grain loads in my. The 9mm simply cannot push a 124-grain bullet to 1350 fps, while the 357 Magnum can push a 125-grain bullet to more than 1400 fps. 492" Average FPS: 1276 Average Energy: 763 Average Gr: 211 Recoil: 1. The 124 will bw just fine and the Golden Sabre has long been a good bullet design,along with the Gold Dot from speer. another at 3300 fps there will be a 10% increase. 452" diameter bullets, the 45 has approximately 5% more bullet diameter than the. hollow point (filled with polycarbonate) boat tail bullet with a 0. 5 gr NTX™ New Offering from Hornady The 17 HMR (Hornady Magnum Rimfire) ammo has a 17 gr. 308, with heavier loads (350 grain bullet at 2100-2200 fps) the 45-70 becomes quite a handful off the bench, with recoil similar to a. Hoorayebay Sharpshooter. By continuing to browse this site you consent to the use of cookies. 180-grain 27 foot pounds: 14. The 7x57's 150-grain ELD-X bullet was just a step behind the 6. They are shooting lead in the 145 grain range. The cartridge comes with a standard load 120-gr A-Max bullet with a muzzle velocity of 920m/s (3,020ft. light for caliber bullets. a 122 grain has less recoil than a 154 grain while fired from my SKS rifle. Pros: Huge knock down power; Deep penetration ( unless using a super lightweight bullet going hot ) High ammo capacity; The. Hydra-Shok JHP: Speer 124 gr. Shoot 32 grain bullets in the. TrailBoss 6. Weight: The 308 is in a short action AND it works fine with a shorter barrel. Recoil isn't an issue which makes it suitable for beginners or for those who still aren't familiar with firearms. And I already have students liking the round. In this case, the cartridges have a similar bullet weight and diameter with similar velocities with the 7. my perceived recoil has been greater with the 30-06 than the 7mm mag in similar grain bullets. It may be nirvana or the ideal compromise bullet for your rifle. 284 caliber bullet function in entirely different ways, thus making a ballistic comparison between the two an apple-to-orange comparison. In this photo the seated 154 gr SP bullet is. The 243 is alright but it alot funnier to watch groundhogs blow up rather than just die Fixdeluxe1 Addition: The 25. 270 with 130 grain bullet and a 30-06 with 165 or 180 grain bullet there would be a noticeable difference. The 140 grain TSX is undoubtedly a deep penetrating projectile, able to take a 1200lb animal broadside, although, such a practice should be considered unethical due to the small diameter of the wound. If your order isn't in stock and shipped on time, we will. The kick was laughable and almost nonexistent. While the cartridge is capable of using 325-550 grain bullets, the majority of. Common Bullet weight in Grains (. 458 Win Mag factory ammo is normally offered with 325-500 grain bullets. 5 grains of #2400 (1355 fps) and 29. 30-06 since. I did reduced recoil loads for a young shooter last year. 5 PRC their ideal backcountry deer rifle because of the low recoil, short action, and high bc bullets with overall good lethality. A 180-grain (12 g) bullet fired from. That's more recoil than most new hunters should be starting with. However, the felt recoil is really soft. 9mm 147gr Load Data Bullseye. 45 ACP with the goal of a 165 power factor: a 230-grain bullet at 718 feet-per-second (fps) has the same recoil as a 200-grain bullet at 825 fps or a 185-grain bullet at 892 fps (Table 1). 30-06 if it were to work in the Model 99. Premium Personal Defense. A 9mm with a 90-grain bullet at 1,100 fps is a PF of 99. Mechanics of recoil: Recoil is the kinetic energy the gun hits the shooter with. A 110-grain (7. TC bullets for. The reason is the smaller diameter. So, if you have a shooter that is recoil sensitive. In comparison, the 135-grain 10mm bullet will have a recoil velocity of of 15. Re: Bullet Weight vs. I've used Hornady 130gr SP, Barnes 130gr TSX and the Sierra 125gr PH. Shots ranging from very close to maybe 140 yards. RE10x Super-sonic velocities at ranges greater than the 223 Remington and the 6. The full slogan is Si vis pacem, para bellum ("If you seek peace, prepare for war"). Hornady makes a 6. 6-percent less recoil force compared to the 185-grain bullet (Figure 4). From 25 caliber, to. If you use a heavier bullet AT THE SAME POWER FACTOR (momentum) as a lighter bullet, the heavier bullet will travel slower, and the recoil impulse will be less. bullets will penetrate like the proverbial runaway freight train. 5 gr NTX™ New Offering from Hornady The 17 HMR (Hornady Magnum Rimfire) ammo has a 17 gr. If I want lighter recoil loads for my handgun, I should. 375 caliber as. We are out of this ammo, but check out these very similar deals. LBT-LFN @ 1,925 fps/M. Likes Received: Mar 21, 2011 #6. This bullet has a worse BC (0. Other pistol/shotgun powders can be used as long as it is a flake powder, but 800X works well, right from a minimum of three grains up to a twelve grain maximum. 270 with 130 grain bullet and a 30-06 with 165 or 180 grain bullet there would be a noticeable difference. (CLICK HERE to Read. The grain gives us information of the projectile's weight, or we can say it measures the mass of the actual bullet flies in the unit of "gr.